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Hiding with weapons

Post by nunnbt473 » Fri Jan 21, 2011 7:13 am

This is essentially just a sample of the test data I started running. The rest I will put in separate notepad files based on skill and level to improve readability. Also just so I dont flood out this topic as much as I have previous ones. I already have trash crits levels 1 to 10 setup (thanks Anigma__REAL) for testing and will add higher levels if needed.

However, again I have not seen any difference between mace / hammers / shields nor have I seen a hide penalty for crossbow or shortbow, but it is still very early in the testing stages, if you review the below data youll see why I am inclined to think that early on. I am sure if it is there it will come out within the next few skills/levels since I am running a full +0 to +6 agil comparison set. I figure if I have the exact skill + agil -level @ 0/1/2 hexes it ought to be enough to extrapolate the exact points for all the factors involved and a simple formula will emerge.

x = cannot hide
cs = common sense, if I cant hide with a hally in hand, there is no point in trying to hide with two hallys in hand..
! = a change since previous agil level, I will try to ! everything but its quite possible I might miss something... feel free to double check at your own leisure

I am making one assumption very boldly and I feel quite safely, that no weapon gives +hide. All weapons tested are only -hide is the working theory. Thus if this holds true all data should be true. And for the love of god if the data looks right and there is a +hide weapon in my hands and you discover it, dont tell me.. -_-. Let me have my deillusions of getting it right for at least a few nights so I can catch up on my sleep before I have another virtual fit. I really DONT want to redo this much data. You have no idea how much of a pain all this is.

Since I blink at 1 bare handed, I see no reason to test with weapons @ 1. Only when I can remain fully hidden at @ 1 will I test with weapons @ 1..etc.
Level 1 naked character with random stats

I have no idea if it makes a difference, but a city dweller was used for testing.

All tests were done with 0 bars of encumbrance

All tests were done with a crit dedicated to the thief class

Items with *s have been specifically rechecked because of possible change where common sense cannot determine..

These tests have been broken down by skill vs level for simplified searching in various .txt files

Skill 4 thief, 18 agil---- lvl 1

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bare handed, 		hidden @ 2 hexes
staff, 			2
mace,			2
hammer,			2
dagger,			2
ss,			2
ls,			x
gs,			x
hally,			x
longbow,		2
shortbow,		2
crossbow,		2
axe,			2
staff + mace,		x
staff + hammer,		x
staff + dagger,		2
staff + ss,		2
staff + ls,		cs
staff + gs,		cs
staff + hally,		cs
staff + longbow,	x
staff + shortbow,	2
staff + crossbow,	2
staff + axe,		x
mace + hammer,		x
mace + dagger,		2
mace + ss,		2
Mace + ls,		cs
mace + gs,		cs
mace + hally,		cs
mace + longbow,		x
mace + shortbow,	2
mace + crossbow,	2
mace + axe,		x
hammer + dagger,	2
hammer + ss,		2
hammer + ls,		cs
hammer + gs,		cs
hammer + hally,		cs
hammer + longbow,	x
hammer + shortbow,	2
hammer + crossbow,	2
hammer + axe,		x
dagger + ss,		2
dagger + ls,		cs
dagger + gs,		cs
dagger + hally,		cs
dagger + longbow,	2
dagger + shortbow,	2
dagger + crossbow,	2
dagger + axe,		2
ss + ls,		cs
ss + gs,		cs
ss + hally,		cs
ss + longbow,		2
ss + shortbow,		2
ss + cross,		2
ss + axe,		2
ls + gs,		cs
ls + hally,		cs
ls + longbow,		cs
ls + shortbow,		cs
ls + crossbow,		cs
ls + axe,		cs
gs + hally,		cs
gs + longbow,		cs
gs + shortbow,		cs
gs + crossbow,		cs
gs + axe,		cs
hally + longbow,	cs
hally + shortbow,	cs
hally + crossbow,	cs
hally + axe,		cs
longbow + shortbow,	2
longbow + crossbow,	2
longbow + axe,		2
shortbow + crossbow,	2
shortbow + axe,		2
crossbow + axe,		2

Skill 4 thief, 19 agil---- lvl 1, still cant hide @ 1 and can already hide @ 2 so not retesting those weapons. If I can hide with 18 I can hide with 19.. retesting only needs

to be done if a base X not a CS has a change, however if the X changes then the corresponding CS will be rechecked at the new agil as well.

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bare handed,		2
staff, 			2
mace,			2
hammer,			2
dagger,			2
ss,			2
ls,			x*
gs,			x*
hally,			x*
longbow,		2
shortbow,		2
crossbow,		2
axe,			2
staff + mace,		x*
staff + hammer,		x*
staff + dagger,		2
staff + ss,		2
staff + ls,		cs
staff + gs,		cs
staff + hally,		cs
staff + longbow,	x*
staff + shortbow,	2
staff + crossbow,	2
staff + axe,		x*
mace + hammer,		x*
mace + dagger,		2
mace + ss,		2
Mace + ls,		cs
mace + gs,		cs
mace + hally,		cs
mace + longbow,		x*
mace + shortbow,	2
mace + crossbow,	2
mace + axe,		x*
hammer + dagger,	2
hammer + ss,		2
hammer + ls,		cs
hammer + gs,		cs
hammer + hally,		cs
hammer + longbow,	x*
hammer + shortbow,	2
hammer + crossbow,	2
hammer + axe,		x*
dagger + ss,		2
dagger + ls,		cs
dagger + gs,		cs
dagger + hally,		cs
dagger + longbow,	2
dagger + shortbow,	2
dagger + crossbow,	2
dagger + axe,		2
ss + ls,		cs
ss + gs,		cs
ss + hally,		cs
ss + longbow,		2
ss + shortbow,		2
ss + cross,		2
ss + axe,		2
ls + gs,		cs
ls + hally,		cs
ls + longbow,		cs
ls + shortbow,		cs
ls + crossbow,		cs
ls + axe,		cs
gs + hally,		cs
gs + longbow,		cs
gs + shortbow,		cs
gs + crossbow,		cs
gs + axe,		cs
hally + longbow,	cs
hally + shortbow,	cs
hally + crossbow,	cs
hally + axe,		cs
longbow + shortbow,	2
longbow + crossbow,	2
longbow + axe,		2
shortbow + crossbow,	2
shortbow + axe,		2
crossbow + axe,		2
Skill 4 thief, 20 agil---- lvl 1

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bare handed, 		2
staff, 			2
mace,			2
hammer,			2
dagger,			2
ss,			2
ls,			x*
gs,			x*
hally,			x*
longbow,		2
shortbow,		2
crossbow,		2
axe,			2
staff + mace,		x*
staff + hammer,		x*
staff + dagger,		2
staff + ss,		2
staff + ls,		cs
staff + gs,		cs
staff + hally,		cs
staff + longbow,	x*
staff + shortbow,	2
staff + crossbow,	2
staff + axe,		x*
mace + hammer,		x*
mace + dagger,		2
mace + ss,		2
Mace + ls,		cs
mace + gs,		cs
mace + hally,		cs
mace + longbow,		x*
mace + shortbow,	2
mace + crossbow,	2
mace + axe,		x*
hammer + dagger,	2
hammer + ss,		2
hammer + ls,		cs
hammer + gs,		cs
hammer + hally,		cs
hammer + longbow,	x*
hammer + shortbow,	2
hammer + crossbow,	2
hammer + axe,		x*
dagger + ss,		2
dagger + ls,		cs
dagger + gs,		cs
dagger + hally,		cs
dagger + longbow,	2
dagger + shortbow,	2
dagger + crossbow,	2
dagger + axe,		2
ss + ls,		cs
ss + gs,		cs
ss + hally,		cs
ss + longbow,		2
ss + shortbow,		2
ss + cross,		2
ss + axe,		2
ls + gs,		cs
ls + hally,		cs
ls + longbow,		cs
ls + shortbow,		cs
ls + crossbow,		cs
ls + axe,		cs
gs + hally,		cs
gs + longbow,		cs
gs + shortbow,		cs
gs + crossbow,		cs
gs + axe,		cs
hally + longbow,	cs
hally + shortbow,	cs
hally + crossbow,	cs
hally + axe,		cs
longbow + shortbow,	2
longbow + crossbow,	2
longbow + axe,		2
shortbow + crossbow,	2
shortbow + axe,		2
crossbow + axe,		2
Skill 4 thief, 21 agil---- lvl 1

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bare handed,		2
staff, 			2
mace,			2
hammer,			2
dagger,			2
ss,			2
ls,			x*
gs,			x*
hally,			x*
longbow,		2
shortbow,		2
crossbow,		2
axe,			2
staff + mace,		2!
staff + hammer,		2!
staff + dagger,		2
staff + ss,		2
staff + ls,		cs
staff + gs,		cs
staff + hally,		cs
staff + longbow,	2!
staff + shortbow,	2
staff + crossbow,	2
staff + axe,		2!
mace + hammer,		2!
mace + dagger,		2
mace + ss,		2
Mace + ls,		cs
mace + gs,		cs
mace + hally,		cs
mace + longbow,		2!
mace + shortbow,	2
mace + crossbow,	2
mace + axe,		2!
hammer + dagger,	2
hammer + ss,		2
hammer + ls,		cs
hammer + gs,		cs
hammer + hally,		cs
hammer + longbow,	2!
hammer + shortbow,	2
hammer + crossbow,	2
hammer + axe,		2!
dagger + ss,		2
dagger + ls,		cs
dagger + gs,		cs
dagger + hally,		cs
dagger + longbow,	2
dagger + shortbow,	2
dagger + crossbow,	2
dagger + axe,		2
ss + ls,		cs
ss + gs,		cs
ss + hally,		cs
ss + longbow,		2
ss + shortbow,		2
ss + cross,		2
ss + axe,		2
ls + gs,		cs
ls + hally,		cs
ls + longbow,		cs
ls + shortbow,		cs
ls + crossbow,		cs
ls + axe,		cs
gs + hally,		cs
gs + longbow,		cs
gs + shortbow,		cs
gs + crossbow,		cs
gs + axe,		cs
hally + longbow,	cs
hally + shortbow,	cs
hally + crossbow,	cs
hally + axe,		cs
longbow + shortbow,	2
longbow + crossbow,	2
longbow + axe,		2
shortbow + crossbow,	2
shortbow + axe,		2
crossbow + axe,		2
Skill 4 thief, 22 agil---- lvl 1

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bare handed,		2
staff, 			2
mace,			2
hammer,			2
dagger,			2
ss,			2
ls,			2!
gs,			x*
hally,			x*
longbow,		2
shortbow,		2
crossbow,		2
axe,			2
staff + mace,		2
staff + hammer,		2
staff + dagger,		2
staff + ss,		2
staff + ls,		x*
staff + gs,		cs
staff + hally,		cs
staff + longbow,	2
staff + shortbow,	2
staff + crossbow,	2
staff + axe,		2
mace + hammer,		2
mace + dagger,		2
mace + ss,		2
Mace + ls,		x*
mace + gs,		cs
mace + hally,		cs
mace + longbow,		2
mace + shortbow,	2
mace + crossbow,	2
mace + axe,		2
hammer + dagger,	2
hammer + ss,		2
hammer + ls,		x*
hammer + gs,		cs
hammer + hally,		cs
hammer + longbow,	2
hammer + shortbow,	2
hammer + crossbow,	2
hammer + axe,		2
dagger + ss,		2
dagger + ls,		2*!
dagger + gs,		cs
dagger + hally,		cs
dagger + longbow,	2
dagger + shortbow,	2
dagger + crossbow,	2
dagger + axe,		2
ss + ls,		2*!
ss + gs,		cs
ss + hally,		cs
ss + longbow,		2
ss + shortbow,		2
ss + cross,		2
ss + axe,		2
ls + gs,		x*
ls + hally,		x*
ls + longbow,		x*
ls + shortbow,		2*!
ls + crossbow,		2*!
ls + axe,		x*
gs + hally,		cs
gs + longbow,		cs
gs + shortbow,		cs
gs + crossbow,		cs
gs + axe,		cs
hally + longbow,	cs
hally + shortbow,	cs
hally + crossbow,	cs
hally + axe,		cs
longbow + shortbow,	2
longbow + crossbow,	2
longbow + axe,		2
shortbow + crossbow,	2
shortbow + axe,		2
crossbow + axe,		2
Skill 4 thief, 23 agil---- lvl 1

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bare handed,		2
staff, 			2
mace,			2
hammer,			2
dagger,			2
ss,			2
ls,			2
gs,			x*
hally,			x*
longbow,		2
shortbow,		2
crossbow,		2
axe,			2
staff + mace,		2
staff + hammer,		2
staff + dagger,		2
staff + ss,		2
staff + ls,		x*
staff + gs,		cs
staff + hally,		cs
staff + longbow,	2
staff + shortbow,	2
staff + crossbow,	2
staff + axe,		2
mace + hammer,		2
mace + dagger,		2
mace + ss,		2
Mace + ls,		x*
mace + gs,		cs
mace + hally,		cs
mace + longbow,		2
mace + shortbow,	2
mace + crossbow,	2
mace + axe,		2
hammer + dagger,	2
hammer + ss,		2
hammer + ls,		x*
hammer + gs,		cs
hammer + hally,		cs
hammer + longbow,	2
hammer + shortbow,	2
hammer + crossbow,	2
hammer + axe,		2
dagger + ss,		2
dagger + ls,		2*
dagger + gs,		cs
dagger + hally,		cs
dagger + longbow,	2
dagger + shortbow,	2
dagger + crossbow,	2
dagger + axe,		2
ss + ls,		2*
ss + gs,		cs
ss + hally,		cs
ss + longbow,		2
ss + shortbow,		2
ss + cross,		2
ss + axe,		2
ls + gs,		x*
ls + hally,		x*
ls + longbow,		x*
ls + shortbow,		2*
ls + crossbow,		2*
ls + axe,		x*
gs + hally,		cs
gs + longbow,		cs
gs + shortbow,		cs
gs + crossbow,		cs
gs + axe,		cs
hally + longbow,	cs
hally + shortbow,	cs
hally + crossbow,	cs
hally + axe,		cs
longbow + shortbow,	2
longbow + crossbow,	2
longbow + axe,		2
shortbow + crossbow,	2
shortbow + axe,		2
crossbow + axe,		2
Skill 4 thief, 24 agil---- lvl 1

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bare handed,		1!
staff, 			2*
mace,			2*
hammer,			2*
dagger,			1*
ss,			1*
ls,			2*
gs,			2*!
hally,			x*
longbow,		2*
shortbow,		1*!
crossbow,		1*!
axe,			2*
staff + mace,		2
staff + hammer,		2
staff + dagger,		2*
staff + ss,		2*
staff + ls,		x*
staff + gs,		x*
staff + hally,		cs
staff + longbow,	2
staff + shortbow,	2*
staff + crossbow,	2*
staff + axe,		2
mace + hammer,		2
mace + dagger,		2*
mace + ss,		2*
Mace + ls,		x*
mace + gs,		x*
mace + hally,		cs
mace + longbow,		2
mace + shortbow,	2
mace + crossbow,	2
mace + axe,		2
hammer + dagger,	2
hammer + ss,		2
hammer + ls,		x*
hammer + gs,		x
hammer + hally,		cs
hammer + longbow,	2
hammer + shortbow,	2
hammer + crossbow,	2
hammer + axe,		2
dagger + ss,		2*
dagger + ls,		2*
dagger + gs,		2*
dagger + hally,		cs
dagger + longbow,	2*
dagger + shortbow,	2*
dagger + crossbow,	2*
dagger + axe,		2
ss + ls,		2*
ss + gs,		2*
ss + hally,		cs
ss + longbow,		2
ss + shortbow,		2*
ss + cross,		2*
ss + axe,		2
ls + gs,		x*
ls + hally,		cs
ls + longbow,		x*
ls + shortbow,		2*
ls + crossbow,		2*
ls + axe,		x*
gs + hally,		CS
gs + longbow,		x*
gs + shortbow,		2*
gs + crossbow,		2*
gs + axe,		x*
hally + longbow,	cs
hally + shortbow,	cs
hally + crossbow,	cs
hally + axe,		cs
longbow + shortbow,	2*
longbow + crossbow,	2*
longbow + axe,		2*
shortbow + crossbow,	1*
shortbow + axe,		2*
crossbow + axe,		2*
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Re: Hiding with weapons

Post by nunnbt473 » Fri Jan 21, 2011 10:48 pm

Long story short I accidentially gained a skill level while power leveling up to 12 to wear BNR so this data may or may not be off by a full skill level. Ugh, so demoralizing after the amount of work I have put into it. In any case I will be RRing and leveling before I begin skilling or even dedicating to hopefully avoid this next time. I will edit the original post sometime in the next week once I do so.
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