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A Thieves Guide to Nork Lairs

Post by nunnbt473 » Tue Jan 18, 2011 6:07 am

The general rule of thumb is if you can hide empty handed then you can hide with a dagger or SS and no problem. If you can hide @ 1 hex with no weapon, you can hide at @ 2 hexes with a staff/axe/mace/ss/dagger/bow. Though when it comes to lairs I definitely would take that with a grain of salt.

LS has a moderate penalty. GS and Hally have a major hide penalty. Carrying corpses doesn't make it any easier to hide either.

This guide assumes 19 agil gives no bonus. 20+ agil gives a small bonus to hide for each point. It also assumes you are of the thief class.

++ You need more than the amount shown
--There was more than enough skill or agil to hide
?? Not yet tested / verified, though based on similar weapons you should be able to get a general idea.

Note: Not charging / Non-PSI lairs are difficult to gauge without on-hex hiding numbers and an exact formula, as such these will only be estimates.

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Roc
0 Hex:
	Bare Handed	16 Skill, 25 agil?
	Shortbow		16 Skill, 25 agil?
	Crossbow		16 Skill, 25 agil?
	Mace			 ??
	Staff			??
	Longbow		 ??
	Axe			  ??
	LS			   ??
	Two-Handed	 ??
	Polearm		 ??
1 Hex:
	Bare Handed	15 Skill, 24 agil
	Shortbow		15 Skill, 24 agil
	Crossbow		15 Skill, 24 agil
	Mace			 ++ 15 Skill, 25 agil
	Staff			++ 15 Skill, 25 agil
	Longbow		 ++ 15 Skill, 25 agil
	Axe			  ??
	LS			      ++ Skill 15, 25 agil
	Two-Handed	++ Skill 15, 25 agil
	Polearm		++ Skill 15, 25 agil
2 Hex:
	Bare Handed	15 Skill
	Shortbow		??
	Crossbow		??
	Mace			 15 Skill, 19 agil
	Staff			15 Skill, 19 agil
	Longbow		 ??
	Axe			  ??
	LS			   15 Skill, 23 agil
	Two-Handed	  15 Skill, 24 agil
	Polearm		  ??

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Minotaur
0 Hex:
	Bare Handed	??
	Shortbow		??
	Crossbow		??
	Mace		 	 ??
	Staff			??
	Longbow		??
	Axe			  ??
	LS			 ??
	Two-Handed	??
	Polearm		??
1 Hex:
	Bare Handed	15 skill, 25 agil
	Shortbow		??
	Crossbow		++ 15 Skill, 25 agil
	Mace			++ 15 Skill, 25 agil
	Staff			??
	Longbow		++ 15 Skill, 25 agil
	Axe			??
	LS			??
	Two-Handed	??
	Polearm		??
2 Hex:
	Bare Handed	15 skill
	Shortbow		??
	Crossbow		??
	Mace			15 skill, 19 agil
	Staff			15 skill, 19 agil
	Longbow		??
	Axe			??
	LS			15 skill, 23 agil
	Two-Handed	??
	Polearm		??

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Griffy
0 Hex:
	Bare Handed	16, 25+ (Very close)
	Shortbow		??
	Crossbow		??
	Mace			??
	Staff			??
	Longbow		??
	Axe			??
	LS			??
	Two-Handed	??
	Polearm		??
1 hex:
	Bare Handed	15 Skill, 22 agil
	Staff 			15 Skill, 24 agil
	Mace			??
	Axe			??
	LS			??
	Two-Handed	??
	Polearm		??
	Shortbow		??
	Crossbow		??
	Longbow		??
2 hex:
	Bare Handed	15 Skill
	LS 			15 Skill, 19 agil
	Staff			15 Skill 25 agil
	Mace			??
	Axe			??
	LS			??
	Two-Handed	++ 15 Skill, 25 agil
	Polearm		??
	Shortbow		??
	Crossbow		??
	Longbow		15 Skill, 19 agil

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RD (Different than FS RD)
0 Hex:
	Bare Handed	??
	Shortbow		??
	Crossbow		??
	Mace			??
	Staff			??
	Longbow		??
	Axe			??
	LS			??
	Two-Handed	??
	Polearm		??
1 Hex:
	Bare Handed	Skill 16, 25 agil
	Shortbow		??
	Crossbow		??
	Mace			??
	Staff			??
	Longbow		??
	Axe			??
	LS			??
	Two-Handed	??
	Polearm		??
2 Hex:
	Bare Handed	15 skill
	Shortbow		??
	Crossbow		15 skill
	Mace			??
	Staff			15 skill
	Longbow		??
	Axe			??
	LS			15 Skill, 24 agil
	Two-Handed	??
	Polearm		??

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FS RD
0 Hex:
	Bare Handed	??
	Shortbow		??
	Crossbow		??
	Mace			??
	Staff			??
	Longbow		??
	Axe			??
	LS			??
	Two-Handed	??
	Polearm		??
1 Hex:
	Bare Handed	Skill 16, 25 agil++
	Shortbow		??
	Crossbow		??
	Mace			??
	Staff			??
	Longbow		??
	Axe			??
	LS			??
        Two-Handed	??
	Polearm		??
2 Hex:
	Bare Handed	Skill 16, 25 agil--
	Shortbow		??
	Crossbow		??
	Mace			??
	Staff			??
	Longbow		??
	Axe			??
	LS			??
	Two-Handed	??
	Polearm		??

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SD
0 Hex:
	Bare Handed	??
	Shortbow		??
	Crossbow		??
	Mace			??
	Staff			??
	Longbow		??
	Axe			??
	LS			??
	Two-Handed	??
	Polearm		??
1 Hex:
	Bare Handed	??
	Shortbow		??
	Crossbow		??
	Mace			??
	Staff			??
	Longbow		??
	Axe			??
	LS			??
	Two-Handed	??
	Polearm		??
2 Hex:
	Bare Handed	15 skill, 19 agil
	Shortbow		??
	Crossbow		15 Skill, 19 agil
	Mace			15 Skill, 19 agil
	Staff			15 Skill, 19 agil
	Longbow		15 skill, 24 agil
	Axe			??
	LS			??
	Two-Handed	??
	Polearm		??

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BD:
0 Hex:
	Bare Handed	??
	Mace			??
	Staff			??
	Axe			??
	LS			??
	Two-Handed	??
	Polearm		??
	Shortbow		??
	Crossbow		??
	Longbow		??
1 Hex:
	Bare Handed	skill 16, 25 agil++
	Mace		        ??
	Staff		        ??
	Axe		        ??
	LS		        ??
	Two-Handed	??
	Polearm		??
	Shortbow	        ??
	Crossbow	        ??
	Longbow		??
2 Hex:
	Bare Handed	15 Skill 19 agil
	Mace		        15 Skill 25 agil
	Staff		        15 Skill 25 agil
	Axe		        ??
	LS		        ??
	Two-Handed	??
	Polearm		??
	Shortbow	        ??
	Crossbow    	??
	Longbow		??

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Levi
0 Hex:
	Bare Handed	??
	Shortbow		??
	Crossbow		??
	Mace			??
	Staff			??
	Longbow		??
	Axe			??
	LS			??
	Two-Handed	??
	Polearm		??
1 Hex:
	Bare Handed	??
	Shortbow		??
	Crossbow		??
	Mace			??
	Staff			??
	Longbow		??
	Axe			??
	LS			??
	Two-Handed	??
	Polearm		??
2 Hex:
	Bare Handed	++Skill 15, 25 agil
	Shortbow		??
	Crossbow		??
	Mace			??
	Staff			??
	Longbow		??
	Axe			??
	LS			??
	Two-Handed	??
	Polearm		??

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Lich 1
0 Hex:
	Bare Handed	??
	Shortbow		??
	Crossbow		??
	Mace			??
	Staff			??
	Longbow		??
	Axe			??
	LS			??
	Two-Handed	??
	Polearm		??
1 Hex:
	Bare Handed	Skill 15, 23 agil
	Shortbow		??
	Crossbow		Skill 15, 23 agil
	Mace			++Skill 15, 25 agil
	Staff			++Skill 15, 25 agil
	Longbow		??
	Axe			??
	LS			++Skill 15, 25 agil
	Two-Handed	??
	Polearm		??
2 Hex:
	Bare Handed	Skill 15, 19 agil
	Shortbow		??
	Crossbow		Skill 15, 19 agil
	Mace			??
	Staff			??
	Longbow		??
	Axe			??
	LS			Skill 15, 21 agil
	Two-Handed	Skill 15, 24 agil
	Polearm		??

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Baskie
0 Hex:
	Bare Handed	??
	Shortbow		??
	Crossbow		??
	Mace			??
	Staff			??
	Longbow		??
	Axe			??
	LS			??
	Two-Handed	??
	Polearm		??
1 Hex:
	Bare Handed	??
	Shortbow		??
	Crossbow		??
	Mace			??
	Staff			??
	Longbow		??
	Axe			??
	LS			??
	Two-Handed	??
	Polearm		??
2 Hex:
	Bare Handed	--Skill 15, 19 agil
	Shortbow		??
	Crossbow		??
	Mace			??
	Staff			Skill 15, 25 agil
	Longbow		??
	Axe			??
	LS			++Skill 15, 25 agil
	Two-Handed	++Skill 15, 25 agil
	Polearm		++Skill 15, 25 agil

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HG
0 Hex:
	Bare Handed	??
	Shortbow		??
	Crossbow		??
	Mace			??
	Staff			??
	Longbow		??
	Axe			??
	LS			??
	Two-Handed	??
	Polearm		??
1 Hex:
	Bare Handed	++Skill 15, 25 agil (So close, yet so one shotted..)
	Shortbow		??
	Crossbow		??
	Mace			??
	Staff			??
	Longbow		??
	Axe			??
	LS			??
	Two-Handed	??
	Polearm		??
2 Hex:
	Bare Handed	--Skill 15, 19 agil
	Shortbow		??
	Crossbow		--Skill 15, 19 agil
	Mace			--Skill 15, 19 agil
	Staff			--Skill 15, 19 agil
	Longbow		??
	Axe			??
	LS			++Skill 15, 25 agil
	Two-Handed	??
	Polearm		??
Enork Guardian Single... hidden @ 2 bare handed with skill 15, 25 agil. Got pwned with 15/24...
15/25 bare and fire plains RD saw straight through me @ 4 hex.
16/25 @ 2+ still cant hide from fire plains RD... staying away from mama until I can..

Levi skill 16, 25 agil - 2 hex.

To be added later
Fire Giant
N1 Goblin
N2 Lizard King
N3 Mummy
3.5 Ogre
3.5 Spider Queen
3.5 Ghost
Naga
M4 Stunner
M4 Tengu
M4 Ninja
M4 Golem
Slicer
Smasher
Cloud Giant
Guardians
Mama Naga
Reggie
Wardens
Vamps
Levi
Mama
King Mino
Chipper
Bresh
Uther
Slith
Hag
Liches
SOB
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