[12:16] problem is their biggest gauntlet is the one they get at level 70
[12:16] so there is not much increase in damage as they go up level
[12:16] thats unfortunate
[12:17] sounds like a dead class then.. up to brad to fix it
[12:19] I always loved MAs but this game doesn't support the class. MAs need more armor and weapons options
[12:20] na
[12:20] they need more abilities
[12:20] hand and foot blocks are suppose to negate the need for armor
[12:21] Like better saves vrs all magical attacks
[12:21] not even sure I would up that unless its a spell that could be dodged
[12:22] a aoe would be hard to dodge
[12:22] better/more saves against melee would be a huge help
[12:22] meh i dunno
[12:22] more damage abilities and tiers
[12:22] MAs should have the best saves, but instead they seem to have the worst
[12:22] High agility should help avoid air
[12:22] MA has the king rain of top dps class for so long
[12:22] and the ability to boost offense in a party
[12:23] they just lost it in sdc3 they dont need it back so soon
[12:23] Aoe
[12:23] lol
[12:23] ma was the best in gnomes, best in mormar, best for lairs best to stack tons of
[12:23] after barbs got nerfed
[12:23] before the riposte change barbs were better
[12:23] they get 100% allied aviodance for 100 quirks
[12:24] ments only ge 75% with 200
[12:24] makes more sence a ment could shield its party members with his psi powers
[12:24] I like to see the others classes boosted. There are way too many barbs
[12:24] then a MA having a foot like a piston that sweeps and hits everything but players
[12:24] but sucks in when its players turn and shoots back out for the enemy
[12:25] it just donst make sence lol
[12:26] I mean attacking a barb in a lair
[12:26] cause all the riposte damage then went to the lair crit
[12:26] lol
[12:26] riposte use to be all damage to one crit and not the way it is now
[12:27] riposite used to always be a full arg round
[12:27] now
[12:27] its random
[12:27] 1 swing
[12:27] 2 swings
[12:27] 3 swings
[12:27] and super rare now is 4 swing
[12:28] its cause barbs seem to be brads fav class
[12:28] 1 and 3 swing rip seems be most common now
[12:28] rip doesnt do the damage it used to
[12:28] the damage chase was a bug
[12:28] brad said barbs didnt take into account attacks over 10
[12:28] no one knew it tell we seen damage numbers
[12:28] then everyone was wtf
[12:29] best thing he did for barbs was make it so we didnt have to waste a round to target
[12:29] that was huge
[12:30] used to be you targted a mob then next round attacked it when it died next round was target a mob then next one attack
[12:30] now you target and attack that change in it self changed while barb class's damage out put
[12:31] and the twist effect was put in to make up for barbs not being able to be hasted
[12:31] where barbs max attacks was 4 a round where a pallys was 6
[12:31] so now a barb can do 2,4,5,6,7,8 depending on level and roll
[12:32] you get 4 on a fury round and roll a chance for xtra swings
[12:32] I dont think I have seen above 6 yet
[12:32] ya its rare as crap now
[12:32] when he dirst did it it was like all the time
[12:32] every swing was a twist off your level
[12:32] not even sure I have seen above a 5
[12:32] well you get 4 swings on fury
[12:32] aye
[12:32] then you can twist
[12:33] aye
[12:33] i forget cap but i know last twist is at 85
[12:33] not sure I have seen more than 1 twist
[12:33] i see 1-3 normally
[12:33] maybe 3 is max i forget im old =p
[12:34] but i think you get 4th chance for twist at 85
[12:35] its just retarded low chance
[12:35] when he first did it tho like i said it was 100%
[12:35] when he changed it to a % chance thats when riposte got changed from always 4 swings
[12:35] to 1,2,3,4 swings
[12:35] he claims he never messed with riposite
[12:35] but i sent brad logs of it
[12:36] how it isnt 4 swings now
[12:36] its random
[12:36] but he was like meh i dunno what happened and dont know how to fix it =p
[12:36] of course
[12:36] cuss he claims he never changed it
[12:36] part of why I dont play
[12:36] but i sent him like 2000+line log of riposite
[12:36] like
[12:36] that and the lack of single player content
[12:36] you ripose
[12:36] and your barb goes eearrgh
[12:36] but you swing 1 time
[12:37] wtf
[12:37] or he swings 3
[12:37] im like brad
[12:37] you cant even swing 3 times on a barb
[12:37] you swing 1,2,4
[12:37] no ooc round is 1
[12:37] ooc is 2 swings
[12:37] fury is 4
[12:37] always
[12:37] there is no 3 swing
[12:37] but it happened when he changed twist to %
[12:38] bottom line was he refused to admit somehting he did changed something he didnt intend it to change
[12:38] and when proof was sent via logs of 2000+ rip rounds
[12:38] he responded with meh i dunn owhat happened dunno how to fix it
[12:38] lol
[12:38] bad coding if you cant find the bug
[12:39] i agree
[12:39] and the shear fact he thinks your lying is crazy lol
[12:39] well I am sure enough people have lied to him in the past to make him skeptical of everyone
[12:40] not everyone ishonest
[12:40] at least i got him to let ments allied adversion quirk work on normal psi
[12:40] it used to only work on tss tfs
[12:40] or has a good intent
[12:40] so least little people can firebreath with some party protection
[12:40] never maxxed that quirk out
[12:40] figured if it wasnt 100% it was a waste
[12:41] i was trying to get him to see ments spend double the quirks for 70% where ma spend half for 100
[12:41] and it doesnt even work on psi just tiers
[12:41] besides my barb can live through tss or tfs as long as he is swinging
[12:41] so i didnt gain 100% ment aviodance but did gain it to work 70% on normal psi spells
[12:42] i just dont understand how ma can not hit people sweeping but ments with all there psi power cant protect there party =p
[12:42] it was a loseing battle he didnt want to hear non of it lol
01[12:42] so what am i missing?
01[12:42] what started this convo
[12:43] I did!
[12:43] ma needing buffs back to top of dps class
[12:43]
[12:43]
[12:43] they can sit there sorry butts in 3rd place for awhile
01[12:43] i mean in DZ
[12:43] =p
01[12:43]
[12:43] oh
[12:43] im not in game i duno whats said in dz
[12:43] dz is beyond me !
[12:43] I am a irc person now
01[12:44] aye
[12:44] who talks in dz
[12:45] I do sometimes just to harass Brad or Mars
01[12:45] aye
i need a ride to tarak!
01[12:51] lol
01[12:52] u guys understand with speed up senerios, haste goes out the window and barbs get hasted :p
[12:53] of course
01[12:53] so haste is going away?
[12:53] fury is kinda a haste anyways imo
[12:53] not sure he needs to change it for the faster rounds
[12:54] I try not to guess what brad is doing because when I do then he really messes things up !
01[12:55] i like the fast rounds
01[12:56] but i would accept alt 2 being double
01[12:56] and same speed
[12:56] I think its stupid to get people use to sped up rounds and then try and get them to accept aleria and NL
[12:58] but thats just my opinion
[12:58] i agree
[12:58] ive tried in emails to get brad to use cnorks server as a alt2 speed nameless
[12:58] not a cnl
[12:58] not crazy mobs like the events he has ran
[12:58] just the roundspeed cuss nl is brutal slow
[12:58] and it makes it even worse when you spend all that time in ccob and get used to it to then go to NL and be like wtf
01[12:59] ya
01[12:59] well
01[12:59] nameless lands is pointless with ccob
[12:59] it is
[12:59] mormar is is
[12:59] and you can skip that and just level in sdc at 50
[12:59] most all of the nameless gear is useless with cob gear
[12:59] escapee weapons
[12:59] inproved sabre
[12:59] lich robe
[12:59] tort
[13:00] mant
[13:00] lors
[13:00] ect
[13:00] all useless
01[13:00] lors isnt
[13:00] id even go and say gathers arnt worth it
01[13:00] lors is better then vani
01[13:00] and tort is better then nin
01[13:00] er mant
01[13:00] mant better then nin
[13:00] i dunno that vanid plate is awesome
[13:00] psi cutter
[13:00] +str
[13:00] +agl
01[13:00] so its lors
[13:00] blocks like a champ
01[13:00] lors is +7 agil/str
01[13:00] also has combat adds
[13:00] lors isnt psi cutter tho is it
01[13:00] i belive it is
[13:00] i didnt thikn it was
[13:01] and look
01[13:01] might not be
[13:01] vandi is 60 second solo
[13:01] you need
[13:01] saps
[13:01] bricks
[13:01] 2 lairs
[13:01] lors is not that much better if its better at all over vandi
01[13:01] but lors is required for killer too
01[13:01] so for sticks its not a bad move
[13:01] right
[13:01] but its not needed
[13:01] required?
01[13:01] neither is vani :p
01[13:01] sdc3 armor
01[13:02] is better then nl
[13:02] yep
[13:02] does that still drop?
[13:02] i havnt been to lc lately but i would like get one of them lol
01[13:02] it drops alot less
[13:02] is it still untied ?
[13:03] again all that falls into bad coding !
01[13:03] yes
[13:03] he cant change gear adds cause he doesnt know what else it will change
01[13:03] someone said something about having gear be a %
01[13:03] as u grow the gear grows with u
[13:04] I like the lvl req on gear in games
[13:04] it would work in drak if it was used on everything
[13:04] and if the gear had a better progression line
01[13:05] ya it jumps all over with cob
01[13:05] now if we get an alt 2 NL
01[13:05] i could see cob gear not coming to nL
[13:05] well to be fair I am sure he never planned on cob gear leaving cob
01[13:05] ya
01[13:05] but without cob gear in NL
01[13:05] all that gear would be new again
01[13:05] keep rings
[13:05] he should have stuck with that concept and made Nl gear Nl only
01[13:05] merks
01[13:06] aye
[13:06] and then the same with gdh and sdc
01[13:06] make us regear back to nork :p
[13:06] well it wouldnt be so bad if he put in a quick gear locker or something
[13:07] so you click and it has a set that you use all the time that it gears you with
[13:08] there are a ton of things he could do but I am sure he is limited on a bunch of it
[13:09] old code does that
01[13:09] how much u guys care if i post this chat in forms :p
01[13:09] i can leave names out
[13:10] without my name I have no issue
[13:10] but to what end ?
[13:10] thing is there's a very specific set of names he actually listens to
[13:10] im all for it
[13:10] just dont expect much
01[13:10] aye
[13:12] another part of the issue is all the player blowback he gets if he does try and correct things
[13:12] LOL, I was just picking